Questions about KDE, Plasma

[vannax (Mike)]

After reading this thread:

KdenLive does not launch: Failed to create wl_display

Requirements: I have Searched the forum for my issue and found nothing related or helpful I have checked the Resources category (Resources Index) I have reviewed the Wiki for relevant information I have read the the Release Notes and Errata OpenMandriva Lx version: OpenMandriva Lx release 6.0 (Vanadium) Rock for x86_64 Desktop environment (KDE, LXQT…): i3 Description of the issue (screenshots if relevant): Kdenlive does not launch. Relevant informations (hardware involved, soft…

and this in particular:

@ben79

Yep, kdenlive is a Plasma5 package and plasma6-kdenlive is the one for Plasma6. And also yes the dependencies for each would be different.

I understand this is confusing for new user and a lot of longer term users as well. But wait! In Cooker the Plasma5 packages are gone and the plasma6-something naming is being reverted to drop the plasma6. This is a big reason why we are still waiting for the next big upgrade for rolling (ROME) repositories. There are some other big changes as well.

And I will probably forget this at least 50 times…

I was struck with some questions.

1. Is it safe to assume that after the “-plasma6” naming convention is abandoned, that all Plasma5 packages will be deprecated?
2. Are there any plans/strategies for alternate default environments once KDE abandons X11 with Plasma7, as they say they are going to?

[LeeTalbert]

1. All Plasma5 packages have been removed from cooker, will be removed from Rome with the next repo sync, and will be removed from Rock with the next release.
2. Not sure if the apps will still run in an X session or not. Maybe someone will create something like xwayland to run wayland-only app under X11. We already offer xfce, lxqt, and i3, and have community members working on cinnamon and TDE.

[vannax (Mike)]

Thanks, Lee.
I’m leaning towards xfce, it seems mature, stable and has lots of options for customisation. Hopefully, by the time Rock 7 comes out, i’ll be able to use it with XLibre.
Too bad KDE is ditching x11, I like KDE.

[LeeTalbert]

TDE is a fork of KDE, but I’m not sure what their stance on X11/Wayland is.

[zeroability]

@LeeTalbert

TDE is a fork of KDE, but I’m not sure what their stance on X11/Wayland is.

https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/gitea/TDE/tde-packaging/issues/303#issuecomment-71851

@vannax

Are there any plans/strategies for alternate default environments once KDE abandons X11 with Plasma7, as they say they are going to?

They tell me it’s just kwin and no new features will be added to it. Which is why they split it.

[Tachyonenstrahl]

Excuse me, please, for me just piggybacking onto this thread.

I have a similar question as this thread’s opener:

Is November’s new major upgrade to OpenMandriva ROME (Rolling) even possible for users currently still on KDE Plasma 5@X11 in the first place? Can a ROME Plasma 5 PC system just upgrade to November 9th ROME Plasma 6?

Or is there no way for such an upgrade? Do these people have to begin anew with a fresh ISO installation?

I want to find out before daring/risking an upgrade attempt.

Kind regards

Tachyonenstrahl

[zeroability]

@Tachyonenstrahl

Is November’s new major upgrade to OpenMandriva ROME (Rolling) even possible for users currently still on KDE Plasma 5@X11 in the first place? Can a ROME Plasma 5 PC system just upgrade to November 9th ROME Plasma 6?

Yes, that should be possible.

[Tachyonenstrahl]

Thank you!

Are there further opinions on this?

[SomeDudeInAZ]

Let’s start with the basics.

1. Can you afford to lose ALL the data stored on that system? Make a backup!
2. Do you use a separate partition/drive for your stuff? Or is everything stored in your $HOME (in the same / partition)?
3. Do you have a current backup? If “No” Make a backup!

Fwiw, in my “ideal” world, all your data is stored on a separate drive and your $HOME is nothing but configs and symlinks. Failing that a separate partition on the same drive.

Remember that many plasma settings are also stored in $HOME .
Remember also, that things like your browser bookmarks, passwords, etc. is included in “your stuff”

Tools like rsync / LuckyBackup are great for backing up files (and even your entire $HOME). And while Timeshift can do a good job on the system files, I don’t know that I would entirely trust it for this.

I would use a tool like Foxclone to make actual partition images (including of uefi, boot, root, $HOME ). This way if things blow up, you just copy the partitions back and it’s as if you never did anything (rather that waste time trying to fix it).

Once that is done boot directly to the cli (bypassing the gui entirely) and do the update.

Good luck

[zeroability]

I would say that after some brief testing today, it may be better to migrate to Plasma 6 before you dsync ROME. This may have some help for that, but read the whole thing.

Upgrading to Plasma 6

Thanks @aunoor for the post on this important topic. I will be looking at your post as we work on the transition to Plasma6. Currently the OM contributor group is hard at work on the next release of ROME which will have both Plasma5 and Plasma6 packages and ISOs. Soon after we will have the next Rock release also with P5 and P6. After that we begin work on the complete transition to Plasma6. We will at that time be removing Plasma5 packages from Cooker repositories and in Cooker working to make…

There was another topic somewhere that may also help.