Is Open Mandriva planning on dumping Firefox?

Some Linux distros have already made a switch to Brave. I am not suggesting that Brave MUST be used, just that others are using it.

Since Firefox is spyware now would OM be interested in replacing it.

Just curious. Now pressure or anything.

I really appreciate the focus on the software here. From that perspective, I believe Brave is a better piece of software as well.

Distros are dumping Firefox and it’s big news. Nobody said a word when OpenMandriva did it. OM was first. We ship with ungoogled Chromium.

I use brave.

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Sorry I forgot that Firefox wasn’t there when I first installed OM. Good point! Moot point indeed!

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Yes they did:
“Uuuh… booo… OM default browser IS NOT Spyrefox, everybody in the world would expect it as ‘obvious’ default. OM sucks”

For everyone’s information:
we can’t switch to Brave as default while we can’t build it from source.
Go complain to Brave project :wink:

Meanwhile we offer one-click install in om-welcome

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Personally, I don’t need a default browser installed when Brave is a One-Click Install.

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Unfortunately on OMLx Gnome, Firefox is the default, but easily replaced. It is probably a Gnome thing not omlx

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If that is the case, we need to rip it out by the root.

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Yes, the spins can do whatever they like. In the main (Plasma) and LXQt builds, we’ll always make sure that the browser respects people’s privacy, so it’s Ungoogled Chromium or Falkon.

While I despise Firefox for more than one reason, I don’t think we should go as far as removing it from the repositories - if we allow installing spyware like Google Chrome or M$ Edge with a few clicks, no reason to make it harder for a more open piece of spyware.

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No, Firefox will not be abandoned, it is maintained by a dedicated maintainer and it is up to him to maintain it or make other decisions related to it. As long as there is someone maintaining it, Firefox will be supported.

No, it isn’t. The same could be said about Brave, too, especially since allegations about privacy and security have surfaced in recent months, also scam with crypto functions etc. Additionally, unless Brave is built directly by the distribution from the source code (which is impossible at the moment here), there will never be any certainty that the browser is secure because we don’t know for sure if the shared binaries were built from the same source code hosted by Brave or not, or with some additional components. A browser built in this way is still a “black box” for the end user that they cannot look into.

As for Firefox, the version built in the distribution is devoid of telemetry.

And what others developers say:

Firefox is necessary to maintain balance on the internet so that we don’t have a complete monopoly of the chrome engine from google and repeat the mistakes we know from the Internet Explorer monopoly. Firefox is a safe browser, although it is run by a board of idiots.

End of story.

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I don’t see a bridge with cracks in it, and think the bridge is safe to drive across.

I want there to be browser diversity because that is one of the best ways to ensure the internet stays open, but I believe the time of believing Mozilla cared about individuals and privacy are long gone.

Sorry if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, and smells like a duck, I wont believe it’s a duck just because it calls itself a duck.

Believing that one man armies of distro maintainers are able to truly fork Firefox when (not if) they change a significant portion of the code base is also a kin to snake oil. Reality just doesn’t work that way.

Yes, but at this point there is no point in throwing baseless accusations. Firefox is not spyware and will not be removed from the repository.

If we are honest with ourselves every browser spys on us. It is how a lot of them are funded threw third party sites and cookies. Let’s all be honest most of us have smart phones that are listening and recording everything we say anyway. So a browser doing it is not all that surprising.

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Imagine being a wealthy CEO who spends his time claiming women belong in the kitchen and should not have control of their own bodies. Or that same CEO claiming black lives do not matter. That same CEO claiming love is only love between a man and woman. That same CEO saying, both LGBTQ+ and trans folk suffer from mental illness. Furthermore, claiming that COVID was a hoax, vaccines kill people, and is a firm, Donald Trump supporter.

You probably think, I am talking about Elon Musk, and you likely support the idea of Tesla going bankrupt, as not to support a Nazi. But who I am actually describing is Brendan Eich, the founder and CEO of Brave Browser, but when you tell people that is the case, people will argue “that is different”. :roll_eyes:

I use Vivaldi Browser. They’re chromium based, but they do not follow everything Google does, both including their own ad-blocker, but also working with uBlock, so their extension would continue working. I even have Privacy Badger running alongside those two, allowing for all 3. Made in Iceland, it is generally outside America and their nonsense. - Actually, one of the reasons I use, Open Mandriva, which is in France, I believe.

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You might have just made a lot of people on here change to Brave with your points…

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Only the people who have no soul.

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There are a bunch of us here who support the current president of the USA, however, we try to keep OMLx as non-political as possible and focus on the code. That generally means most of us are not going to bash people for their beliefs and such. It keeps things respectful and decent. Other distributions have went as far as banning anyone who does not follow along their beliefs and political views. OMLX does not do that. We refrain from calling one side or the other Nazis, bigots, or any other buzzword that is popular in today’s society. Let’s just keep it respectful for all members please

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I disagree, but will fight for your right to feel and say what you feel.

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Gross over simplification of points with misleading conclusions on things you disagree with indicates an agenda, and makes it difficult to take you seriously.

I am talking about technical merit and nothing political. Like this forum, I welcome all walks of life and ideas. And while I disagree with your conclusions, I too will fight for your right to have and express them.

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There is nothing to disagree with, and there is no right for Nazis to exist. Please delete my account. Thank you.

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Waving around giant paint brushes to label anyone you disagree with as the worst that humanity has seen, is not helping your case. If the only person you can convince of your points is yourself, then you are missing a serious problem.

Pretending that anything I have said is in support of Nazis is pathetic. I do not support, in any way, Nazis. Only I think in this discussion only one of us knows what an actual nazi is.

You don’t need to delete your account. Just don’t talk politics. We can all live with that.

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