I prefer firefox over chrome, but I’ve been using Floorp for over a year and I love it. It is more customizable than firefox and still allows uBlock to work.
Amazing that someone wants their entire account deleted over being wrong about the definition of ‘nazi’ and encountering people who hold different opinions than theirself.
I live in America and you might call it nonsense, but here, EVERYONE has the right to be wrong. That is true freedom. 
I like Floorp 11 series too. Not sure how I feel about their direction in Floorp 12, but it’s still in testing so we’ll see what they end up doing. Took away a lot of the features/UI I enjoyed about Floorp
I can appreciate that you disagree with me, but as you have claimed I am just making things up, I’ll just share this here:
Mozilla introduced its first-ever Terms of Use for Firefox on February 26, 2025, alongside an updated Privacy Notice, aiming to increase transparency about data practices. Initial concerns arose from language in the Terms of Use stating, “When you upload or input information through Firefox, you hereby grant us a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license to use that information to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox.” This sparked backlash, with some interpreting it as Mozilla claiming broad rights over user data, potentially for purposes like advertising or AI training, which could resemble spyware-like behavior.
However, Mozilla quickly clarified this on March 1, 2025, revising the language to: “You give Mozilla the rights necessary to operate Firefox. This includes processing your data as we describe in the Firefox Privacy Notice. It also includes a nonexclusive, royalty-free, worldwide license for the purpose of doing as you request with the content you input in Firefox. This does not give Mozilla any ownership in that content.” This adjustment emphasizes that Mozilla’s use of data is limited to operating the browser as intended by the user, not for unrestricted collection or exploitation.
I don’t think it is difficult to read through the lines there. Mozilla is an AI focused company now. AI needs data to be any good. Firefox is a premium tool to collect said data, and as communicated by their own terms of service. Why would a company focused on privacy and freedom ever need to reword its terms of use?
I don’t want these things to be true. I would love a return to form for Firefox. Once again, reality seems to be going the opposite direction.
Did you see the revised ToS where they backpedaled on the data harvesting scope? I still don’t like the direction they are going, and a de-mozilla’ed firefox like Floorp or Zen seems like the best option to me.
I think you just interpret it wrong. Mozilla made an mistake not explaining the way of collecting data and corrected it later:
Mozilla collects certain data, like technical and settings data, to provide the core functionality of the Firefox browser and associated services, distinguish your device from others, remember and respect your settings, and provide you with default features such as New Tab, PDF editing, password manager and Total Cookie Protection. You can further customize your Firefox experience by adjusting your controls, buttons, and toolbars and adding features with add-ons.
Some Firefox features, like automated translation for web pages and “alt-text” suggestions when you upload images in your PDFs, are powered by artificial intelligence (AI) based on small language models downloaded to your device. These operate locally — web page content, PDFs, images and tab URLs stay on your device and are not sent to Mozilla’s servers or used for training purposes without your explicit consent. Note that other Firefox features may integrate third-party AI models, as further detailed in this Notice.
Firefox processes a variety of personal data in a way that does not leave your device, such as browsing history, web form data, temporary internet files, and cookies. This means the data stays on your device and is not sent to Mozilla’s servers unless it says otherwise in this Notice. If you choose to allow it, your precise location may also be processed for location-related functionality for websites like Google Maps; this data is only accessed from your device by the website(s) you choose to enable it for — it is not sent to Mozilla’s servers.
When you perform a search in Firefox, your search query, device data and location data will be processed by your default search engine (according to their applicable Privacy Notice) to provide your search results and search suggestions.
Gotcha! I am just wary of Mozilla these days. Please understand that I don’t want to see Firefox die. I really do hope you are right. I just wont be using them until I see Mozilla really being Mozilla again.
We need competition in the space. I hate to see any fall to the wayside, but Mozilla is losing the trust of so many at a time when they need to be gaining it.
I’ve been a Firefox user for at least 15 years and have enjoyed it and used it everywhere, including at work. I recently had to remove Firefox from my computers at work as web browsers are used to access PLM and send secure e-mails, some of which is ITAR and all of which is company confidential IP. How in the heck Mozilla thinks that they can get a license from me to data mine that is beyond me.
I have switched to Brave at work and partially at home, but find their UI choices atrocious. All of the wrong with Gnome is in Brave.
sigh
So now I have a reoccurring monthly contribution set up to support Ladybird. You?
Can’t wait for Ladybird to continue to grow and keep getting better. I’ll definitely be trying it out when it gets to Alpha/Beta.
There is a DevOps email we could probably contact to get support to build it from source. That is probably what Zorin has done.
Still to confirm whether they managed to compile from source (where is the source then? would it just be available on-demand ? 
) or they merely install it from brave repo like we do.
This is probably the answer. If Brave has a flatpak, they are probably using that:
This is what I am referring to. It’s independent of what other distros may do:
I’ve been pointing that out for a while now. I expect sooner rather than later we’re going to see a severe vulnerability in Chromium-core (likely from some embedded telemetry or back-door hidden there by Google). Back during the swiss-cheese disaster that was MS Internyet Exploder, it really just affected ONE platform (MSWindows) and ONE browser. With Chromium-core being the basis of so many browsers, and those browsers running on so many different platforms, the fallout will be that much worse.
And despite the dire scenarios of Firefox taking down all of it’s derivatives, I expect Waterfox, Librewolf, Pale Moon, Floorp, and the rest would just need to set up a joint core project (maybe on Sourceforge) to collaborate on the common code. It might even work out better that way. I don’t know if Thunderbird would fall as well if Firefox ended up dying, but Betterbird and Epyrus (any other TBird derivatives?) could join the same joint project.
You can’t even define a Nazi properly. By your self some proper dictionary. Words have meaning and kinda strict definition. If you want to call fork a spoon and car a bicycle, I’m fine with that. But that does not mean anybody with a right mind should comply with your illusions. And again, if those illusions works for you, great. I speak Klingon a little, yet I will not try to force Klingon as official language of my country.
By the way, my self identified my numerals are 0 and 1.
Don’t you dare to miscount me.
ps. Your own Bio :“The United States, but if I could leave, I would.”
Does someone hold you in a basement against your will, yet you still have internet access.
That is unusual, don’t ya think.
I’ll define it so we can put this issue to rest.
“Nazi” is the Western simplification of the term Nazional Socialistiche Deutsche Arbeiter Partei which is translated to “National Socialist German Workers Party”. From the Western classification of the political spectrum, all collectivism is on the Left.
I saw that, also. That’s some peak cope and seethe.
Hi @zeroability From the Western classification of the political spectrum, all collectivism is on the Left. Yes, it is 
Every time I point that out they scream.
I viewed @Linux-Is-Best codeberg repository. That person is some piece of work. But… I whish him / her / they - them / damn - it / 0-1. All the best.
We were as (OM - Linux system) removed from this person list of free and open-source systems.
I think I’m gonna cry, actually no i won’t. 
Few words about FF I think all the surrounding drama is for the lack of better wording a some sort of “PSYOP”. I really have no better name for it in English. To be fair I’m barely speaking and writing in it
I use FF since Phoenix was out, till this day. Do I like their politicks nor the way they communicate things to the user base. Yet, I’m perfectly capable of tweaking about:config.
FF is a bright example of how easy it is to addict a project from a single source of income, then suffocate it by withdrawing money.
And there it comes… the most inaccurate word in the whole English dictionary.
Free means both: free as free from slavery and free as free beer. You can rarely hear someone use the phrase costless beer while speaking English. Costless just does not sound right!
Yet!! It is the one, and only, proper term to describe a beer someone legally received without paying for it.
Even In German, there is a phonetic difference between free man and free beer. Free man is “Ein freier Mann”, but free beer is “Freibier” Even if you drop Ein there is still a difference between “freier Mann” and “Freibier” or Frei bier.
In any given Slavic language, the difference between free as freedom and costless is way more visible.
Free beer Is exactly a costless beer in polish it is spoken darmove (costless) pivo (beer)
And Free man is volny (free) człowiek (man).
Same goes for any given slavic language.
Lack of this phonetic distinction in English, tricks and sets people’s mind. That one little crippled, stupid, and twisted word “free” is perfectly capable to kill any given open and free like in freedom project.
English speakers do not need evil corporations to kill projects, their own language does that for them.
Ps *I’m not bashing nor hate English I just point a flaw or loop hole in it. *
Every language have at last one. In Slavic languages we have shit tone of semantic traps and eccentricities and quirks that gives headache even to the natives
I wholeheartedly agree. This is exactly how FOSS ended up being funded by people that do not use it. To manipulate the people that do, and turn the ones that develop it into slaves to ungrateful users that do nothing to help make it better.
Not to mention that in English the words free and freedom sometimes are used to mean the opposite. Free for me, but not for thee. Free for mega corporation X but not free for small business in the same industry and so on. Pretty much what I am talking about here is surveillance capitalism. Your information is free for the tech bros but you do not have the freedom to know what their algorithms are. And their algorithms are being used to make huge profits from your information. Seems like we should have the right to know this.
I am not directly commenting on Mozilla or Brave or any other browsers, there is almost nothing commercial on the internet that does not do this. Just because you did not pay for your browser does not mean that there is no commercial aspect. They can not do what they do with dirt, it takes money. I would suggest that the most limited browsers are always the ones that are the least commercial. Convenience ain’t free. To me the problem closer to one of rights for the tech bros and no rights for me. That ain’t fair.