We don’t need new knowledge to train LLMs. We can just use the support requests/solved issues. Sure it’ll suck for a while but it will improve with time.
What’s the over-under on how frustrated a user would be to get garbage info instead of no response? “It’ll suck for a while,” sure sounds like a bunch of broken systems.
I still haven’t seen anything representing this training procedure or on what system.
Well, say, an indicator.
AI response = this.
Human response = wait.
It ain’t that hard.
Acting like all AI answers are BS is disingenuous. People use them all the time, and they work well with an ever-increasing frequency.
You clearly don’t really understand how LLMs work. A good LLM will assign dozens if not hundreds of values to a word, in a multi-dimensional vector space, and then decide if the next word works. That’s it. Its not the same as human reasoning, but it fucking works pretty well.
When people use LLM’s to solve OM problems, they often get libelous responses that lead to broken systems. Sure… training… but it’s why we tell them not to.
You clearly do not know how it works under the hood or you wouldn’t keep going back to how things “should work,” not how they actually work. You basically described how a general db query works. You are correct. That is not hard and doesn’t need other capabilities on top of it.
While you were not coming up with an answer, I found this by just using a search engine with the AI shit turned off:
It might be better to use tools already at our disposal.
You can keep saying things like that and talk about surface level information while becoming indignant but it doesn’t make you better than anyone else.
It might be better to add more tools.
Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything, although you seem to want to force OML not to use AI, because reasons.
Well, while you consider the audience of this forum to be too simple to scroll up and read you have done nothing whatsoever to prove to anyone that you know what you are talking about. Just deflecting and being a prick.
I don’t force anyone (least of all OMA) to do anything they don’t want to do. I just think your position is ignorant and based on reading people that fluff that technology in the media. You don’t know how it works, thus could not audit it. It shows in your responses.
LOL.
The bottom line is that AI, even now, in its infancy, works pretty well…and its only getting better. If saying OML should use it, in a limited way, is deflecting and being a prick, then so be it.
I’ve spent a great many hours studying how LLMs work. I know what multi-dimensional vector spaces are and back-propagation means, etc. But whatever, call me names and make baseless statements all you like. I don’t care.
At this point, you should probably just get to making the request with all of the information including the system, how you will audit it and train it, any test plans, goals, and what your time frame will be for completion. If you are not doing that then you are really just peddling logical fallacies, and you are honestly not that fucking good at it.
You: AI is total shit and utterly useless.
Me: AI can be useful.
Events have already shown which viewpoint is correct.
Do the work then.
LOL!
All I was doing was suggesting a way for the people at OML to do a bit less work, by outsourcing some of it to machines.
Anyway, never change, Zero. I know I won’t.
It’s been a pleasure crossing horns with ya.
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One fact is my extremely limited lack of knowledge is a truth I readily admit to. So don’t read too much into this.
The forum does let me see the problems others are having, and there have been a very few instances where I was able to help find a solution or at least get the user turned in the right direction. The kicker is that one or two originated in Italian, and I don’t even know Italian (thank you, Vivaldi Translate). Why only Italian? I don’t know. But if someone posted in another language, I would break out the translator and at least attempt to figure out what is going on. I never know; I just might learn something.
This tells me not all users are living in the North American time zones. Someone can post a problem, go to bed, and there is a possibility that an answer will be there by breakfast.
Would I keep using OM? Yes. For as long as I can keep it going. There was one point a few weeks ago where one computer would not let me log into the desktop environment. It took several days, but it was resolved by posting several log files and running several commands from the terminal, where I was able to log in, resolving the problem, and, most importantly, without any personal data losses. Would I have given up and tried some other distro without a place to post questions? This is a valid question. My answer is it would be a possibility if I got frustrated enough.
But if there is no place to post a problem, then I could easily see usage shrink as users slowly give up and try something else.
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With more popular distros, it is possible to simply search the Internet for help and find a web page devoted to the problem unique to that distro. With OM, that doesn’t work. At best, the user will dig himself a deeper hole.
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Then there is the fact that more people are slowly starting to realize that Linux is a valid alternative to Spyware 10/11 and all related malware and bloat. Over on Rumble, I have been watching the story of one small business owner who is switching over his home computers to Linux and has realized that he can do the same at work. Dumping MicroSlop is not a rumor or some wish from years long gone. One of his complaints is his distro has no place to locate answers to problems. Or at least he has not found such a place yet. But he is so upset with MicroSlop spying on him that he will try anything short of switching to a MacBook.
As @vannax correctly pointed out, this poll is subject to response bias. Only those who see the post will respond. The other roughly 90% of OM users who don’t use the forum regularly will never see it or bother to pay attention if they do show up. Perhaps they don’t know the forum exists? Perhaps they have been treated like garbage on other forums (read the f-ing manual!) and believe that the same holds true here, despite the opposite being true.
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That is kind of a thing in the pinned topics in Support .
I’m not really trying any gotchas, here. There are legitimate reasons for keeping and removing the communication channels across the board. I’m mainly just trying to determine how important it is to people.
As both of you have pointed out, there are challenges that I’m really just trying to gauge impact. You can call the lack of participants “response bias,” if you really want to. It doesn’t really change the fact that we have more lurkers than participants in all of our comms, and some people don’t want to work with others to fix their issues.
Despite the previous posts, I am not against “appropriate automation,” within the bounds of the tools we already have, because:
- We don’t need another system to administer due to our resources
- We don’t need something that is separate from the system people are already using as it can tend to turn people off or cause security concerns
- We don’t need something that has overhead even if we are using less than 1/3 of its capability (which is a waste of time and resources)
On the whole, the chosen forum software is terrible. Just on this point alone, it’s counter-intuitive and almost seems designed for people that want to talk more than they work. I’m sure it would be fine for discussions about entertainment meta or other types of trends where sifting through the forum from their limited search functions is not a problem. It’s not something that lends to providing help or support for software or a Linux distro.
I see one problem here. Quite a few new people fail to read the pinned topics in Support. The question is, how to fix that? Good luck. I learned over 40 years ago that it was impossible to get new hires and trainees to read the cheat sheets in the binders for the machining centers after I took time to write down the important information and organize it into a binder unique to each machine tool. Forget the manuals. Those were in Japanese.
I am afraid that is another fact of life. Most people prefer to lurk. There will always be some people who don’t want to work with others to address the problems as problems inevitably crop up. How to fix that? I have no solution.
People confuse me. Last Sunday I had someone try to connect his phone to his computer using a USB cable. So what is the problem? His cable was USB-C to USB-C. His phone was USB-C. The computer was USB-A only. See what I mean about trying to fix the problem? The root of the problem isn’t the cable, the computer, or the phone. He couldn’t figure out why it wasn’t working. I am still recovering from that.
I agree that another system is not needed. Why duplicate the effort?
If you want to see terrible, go over to Rumble and try out that train wreck for posting messages. Once signed in, the user can post a message, but there is no possible way to edit or add to that message once the user clicks on “post.” The only option for the user is to delete the message and start over from scratch. The result is the screen littered with “message deleted by user.” Is it still 1984, running 8-bit computers with dial-up modems connecting to a BBS? On Rumble, so it seems, for when posting a message.
Where this message board lands on the usability scale, I don’t know. But I do know there is far worse. I am certain that if Rumble were using it, Rumble could eliminate 99% of user complaints aimed at Rumble just for the message editor alone.
I really don’t want to knock Rumble because it is still better than YouTube, where everything has to get past the Woke censors. “How dare you type Hitler!!!” when the subject video is WWII in Europe? I wonder if I tried to post in Klingon or Ubbi Dubbi on YouTube?
One thing I noticed about the current forum software is if the originating poster takes the time to click the “solution” button, future users can quickly scan for the problem and see the solution that was flagged. Is there better? Again, I don’t know.
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Hi, for me, no human soul, nothing future. I have no time for the chat but i think it’s good. I use wiki and forum and I’m happy. I have used many distro, I was searching for a new linux distro and I have choosed OpenMandriva for the community forum. Of course the other features are fine for me. The forum keep the distro alive and ready for the future.
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Just to put things in perspective we also have this:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/mandriva-30/
There are people actively posting things there, and we have people from here answering.
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Let me put it this way. This forum is far better source of knowledge about OM then Wiki it self. Let just put a side for a moment a fact that you can literally ask question here. Let just say that the only way to reach any info here is a forum search bar. So the info is static and this place is not interactive at all; then this forum is still a mile better resource then a open mandriva wiki.
So if this forum and matrix would not exist. OM would be usanle to the first major issue tht cannot be googled or resolve using my own knowledge.
And saying all that I like it here I like the people. There are not many places on the web where I like to be in or been envolved with.
Gosh my bloody English holds me back. I cannot express my thoughts clearly in full
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Linuxquestion is a mess mate foundig someting relevant there oh boy.
But if tyou found something of a substance. Then this place turns it self in to a gold mine