RE: [cooker] TC Meeting today 27-02-2019: 17:00 CEST 16:00 GMT


(Ben Bullard) #1

'Nuther question? Why don’t my posts go to
the original conversation as I used the exact copy and paste
title? Do we have to add an RE:, or re:, or what?


(Raphaël) #2

When you write a message, a header is added to your message: «Message-ID:» (in your case by generated by Thunderbird)

For instance:

<bob12345@bb.io>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message-ID

When you reply to this message, the Message-ID is replaced by a new one (for instance alice65425@cc.net, but is added another header

In-Reply-To:<bob12345@bb.io>

This way, it's easy for MUA (Thunderbird, Gmail etc) or MLM (Mailman, Sympa, MLMMJ, even Discourse…) to know the location of a message in a thread.

When you create a message, there is no «In-reply-to» header, even though you write «Re:…»

However, though this header is missing, some MUA or MLM, when they detect a reply («Re: » in subject), try to guess the related thread. For example herehttps://lists.openmandriva.org/cooker/2019-03/ you can see .

Note that my webmail (yandex) also breaks the thread when this header is missing.

I have found here a way to manually add a header in Thunderbird if you need https://superuser.com/questions/1177870/how-to-manually-set-the-in-reply-to-header-in-thunderbird

As you are a OpenMandriva forum admin, you can also see there the messages headers by clicking on the envelope symbole on the top right of your (or any other) messages.


(Ben Bullard) #3

Yes but what do you do if you don’t have a
copy of the e-mail you are responding to? That is what happened
to this thread with me, I had only what was available in the
forum to respond to but we can’t respond from the forum
(probably that should change if it can be changed). So if I see
something in Cooker forum and I want to respond inline where is
that header? And once I have the header what do I do with it?


(Ben Bullard) #4

Thanks for the input.

  What I recall doing in the past in this circumstance is to go to

the cooker ML archive and find the thread and respond to it from
there. Where is that located now?
is a 404 Not Found for me. I
can’t find the admin page for this ML.

  Also it seems that URL's are not allowed in the Cooker forum

instance is that intentional? Seems inconvenient. If someone
really wants to keep a URL secret they probably know how to.

  In reading about this it seems like there may be no consistent

way to achieve this without responding to the actual e-mail thread
so that must be somewhere like an archive?


(Ben Bullard) #5

Test, will In-Reply-To keep messages within the same thread?


(Ben Bullard) #6

Don’t make me identify the luser in need
of this training.

    Changed title I hope to something that

describes the actual conversation. Also I’m trying to learn how
to manipulate things in the mailing list for my own training and
education.


(Raphaël) #7

Thanks for the input.

What I recall doing in the past in this circumstance is to go to the cooker ML archive and find the thread and respond to it from there.

I’m thinking about a solution for it, in fact you can recall a previous message if knowing its id, but how to get the id is another question

Where is that located now? https://www.openmandriva.org/lists is a 404 Not Found for me. I can’t find the admin page for this ML.

Aargh, no it’s a bug, in fact docker swarm restarted but i did not pull the latest image… ok well i fix it instead of talking :

Also it seems that URL’s are not allowed in the Cooker forum instance is that intentional? Seems inconvenient. If someone really wants to keep a URL secret they probably know how to.

URL? not sure to understand…

In reading about this it seems like there may be no consistent way to achieve this without responding to the actual e-mail thread so that must be somewhere like an archive?

You mean you don’t receive a copy of all emails?


(Ben Bullard) #8

Thanks again, and apologies if I’m being dense, but if I am then
the way past is to learn more.

Answers in line.

  Question: Should we all set our e-mail whatever to reply above

the quote as lot of us do now a days or below the quote as the old
folks did and we were supposed to do on the Mandriva Cooker ML. It
would be beneficial if we all did it the same way it seems.

    03.03.2019, 21:53, "Ben

Bullard" :

Thanks for the input.

        What I recall doing in the past in this circumstance is to

go to the cooker ML archive and find the thread and respond
to it from there.

    I'm thinking about a

solution for it, in fact you can recall a previous message if
knowing its id, but how to get the id is another question

Where is that located now? https://www.openmandriva.org/lists
is a 404 Not Found for me. I can’t find the admin page for
this ML.

    Aargh, no it's a bug, in

fact docker swarm restarted but i did not pull the latest image…
ok well i fix it instead of talking :

        Also it seems that URL's are not allowed in the Cooker

forum instance is that intentional? Seems inconvenient. If
someone really wants to keep a URL secret they probably know
how to.

    URL? not sure to understand…
I mean when I wanted to post URL's of the TC-meeting when the e-mail

posted on the Cooker forum the URL’s were not displayed so I posted
them in the English/Support forum. Yet today I see URL’s are being
displayed. Either I’m confused about something or the system doing
this is confused or both.

        In reading about this it seems like there may be no

consistent way to achieve this without responding to the
actual e-mail thread so that must be somewhere like an
archive?

    You mean you don't receive a copy of all emails?
  No, I mean I may be responding to them after I have deleted them.

(In this case that is exactly what happened.) In the past this was
no problem you just went to the ML archive and responded to the
thread from there. In any event it seems there has to be some way
to get to the actual thread for this and perhaps some emergencies.

On the other hand I could and * will set up a folder and save
all my cooker ml e-mails* but there still will be times when
I want to respond to something and don’t have easy access to the
home computer.


(Raphaël) #9

No worries, just I can’t reply not much now as I’m about to sleep, but come back to the topic tomorrow :slight_smile: