Hi 
I’m a new user, after the whole debacle with XLibre, I decided to stop using software from people that hate me and OM seems to be the right way forward. But, it’s too tied to KDE and KDE hates me. Are there any plans to replace it with something else?
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As a default experience, probably not. Anything can happen, though.
We do have other options once you install OMLx like hypr, Hyprland, Awesome, LXQt, and TDE will be coming in the near future.
KDE’s direction and response to their PR person’s ignorance is being discussed.
I’m with you on this. KDE is a mixed experience at it’s best and resource hog on low end hardware. On top of that, their leftward slant makes them unbearable and anti-white as well as anti-normal.
I would not say it is urgent to find something different, but I think a plan for an alternative should at least be looked into. I’m pretty sure this has already been thought of, I think I remember a s similar discussion on a different thread, but the details evade me at the moment.
Historically, one of the old Mandrake’s selling points was that it used KDE instead of gnome, IIRC.
While I don’t like their ideological direction, I do like Plasma 6.
My biggest concern is that they’re ditching X11 in Plasma 7, and, I think, only going to support Wayland. I can only hope and pray that a version of Rock with XLibre and a nice, customisable DE is made available when the time comes.
Welcome, @dorothy_adams to OpenMandriva!
I have seen the video you linked as well.
In a perfect world, there would be a perfect alternative to Plasma without all the woke stuff, so we could be sure not to support people who actively libel and hate anyone they think opposes them fundamentally. Sadly, this is not that world. As such, soft/hard forking Plasma, continuing to use the software anyway and make alterations as per necessary, are options.
Plasma is a great piece of software, I love using it, but I don’t love the political stuff. Gave me a bad taste in my mouth, so I ended up moving to Xfce.
OpenMandriva has a development version, Cooker, for which there is a new shiny alpha iso that I am looking forward to testing. It is by no means the flagship, but a spin rather, but I am pretty sure it will work well. I’ll use that for the time being, while my other stuff is temporarily on hold.
As zeroability mentioned, there are other things coming to the repositories also, like TDE, though I am much more used to working with Xfce and BSPWM (also available, by the way; I’ll probably run bsp with Xfce as fallback).
In order to completely avoid the digusting woke, we’d need to make an entire new system, since Linus himself supports this kind of ideology apparently, and he and others make the kernel. So, I suppose it is easier for someone to fork/fix Plasma where it needs, or help develop something else with the OMV team, rather than them jumping ship just like that.
Hi,
from where I stand: KDE is currently the only desktop in existence that even a non-technical person can use without a learning curve that most people simply aren’t willing to put up with.
We do provide some alternatives for people who know how to use something else or who want to learn - but it is also important to have something the average person who has had enough of Micro$oft and Crapple can take and be productive with from the start. So until something equally good or better comes along, KDE is staying as the default option.
As for “KDE hates you”, that’s not entirely true, certain individuals inside KDE do. The subject of whether or not to post anything on X has never been discussed in KDE officially, so this is the decision of the self-appointed social media team. It is most definitely not something everyone who is working on KDE agrees with, and the overall project hasn’t made any comment on it (and I doubt it will, because saying Paul is an idiot and was acting on his own would annoy a large group of people, and getting behind him would annoy another large group of people (both groups including important developers)). That is not great, but it’s still better than GNOME and GTK (which is very fully behind just about any insanity you can find).
Unfortunately, if you want to avoid everything that has contributors who hate you, there’s really not much you can use – certainly not any graphical environment (look at some of the people behind Mesa - which is a key component of both X11 [any implementation] and Wayland) - and certainly M$, Crapple and Google are NOT better alternatives.
If the situation gets too bad at some point, we can always fork it. (And certainly, if something better comes along, we’re looking out for it).
If you have any suggestions for alternatives, we’ll certainly look at them - but chances are we already have them packaged.
I take people at their word when they say something publicly. Personnel is policy so if their PR person says something, that is the way they want to be seen. If you stay with an organization, you are signaling approval of that organization’s policies, views and actions. That is how voluntary association works.
I agree with the rest of what you said however. I’m just gonna go with the flow and use whatever the OM team decides.
This is a serious problem, is it not?
They are not adding new features to kwin for X11. Which is why they split it off into its own project. It’s not just a Plasma 7 thing.
Which in and of itself is probably a good thing. I anticipate that XLibre will eventually diverge from X11 enough that programs like kwin and every other window manager will have to be adjusted.
With kwin being frozen it will make it easier for XLibre users to adapt it
Hi, be careful about trivializing sensitive topics. Currently, Plasma 6 offers the best overall pros/cons ratio.
Personally, I don’t care if it’s created by left-wing or right-wing people, woke or non-woke.
I use Wayland because it runs better on my PC than X11/XLibre, the rest doesn’t matter to me. As long as I can use what they do without restrictions on my freedom, they can think and do what they want, like I do.
Who can assure us that when Plasma 7 comes out, Wayland will be inferior to XLibre? Who can assure us that a new fork or a new graphics server won’t have been born?
If, on the other hand, the choice is made because of the ideas of those who work on those projects, be careful, you’re probably catching the same disease you accuse them of.
It wouldn’t be a nice place to live.
My 2 cents.
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Ciao, fate attenzione a banalizzare discorsi delicati. Al momento Plasma 6 offre globalmente il miglio rapporto pregi / difetti.
Personalmente non mi importa se è creato da gente di sinistra o di destra, woke o non-woke.
Uso wayland perchè sul mio pc funziona meglio che con X11/XLibre il resto non mi importa.
Finchè potro usare quello che fanno senza limitazioni alla mia libertà che pensino e facciano quello che gli pare, come faccio io.
Chi ci assicura che quando uscira Plasma7 Wayland sarà inferiore a XLibre? Chi ci assicura che non sarà nato un nuovo fork o un nuovo server grafico?
Se invece la scelta è fatta a causa delle idee di chi lavora a quei progetti, attenzione, probabilmente vi state ammalando della malattia di cui li accusate.
Non sarebbe un posto bello in cui vivere.
I miei 2 centesimi.
Why do software nerds who are not leftists have a pathological need to be or at least appear to be neutral? I genuinely do not understand.
Many of you seem to lack an understand of what is actually at stake in these conflicts. I for one enjoy indoor plumbing so I am not neutral in anything ever.
I’m not trying to tell you what to do or start a fight. It just seems self destructive. Imagine standing in the middle of a war zone unarmed and trying to not fight, hoping neither side will shoot you by accident or on purpose. That’s what you are doing with this. Even if you make it out, everything you know and love about software could be gone when it is over, depending on who wins.
You don’t owe me an explanation, but I am very curious and confused by this attitude.
For what its worth…
Almost all of the people and groups I’ve convinced to use linux and related tools like nextcloud are extremely politically active. And all on the right.
And when I was describing to them to “Politics of FOSS” there was universal laughter over using the “jewels and tools” of the left to oppose them.
Even moreso when they pointed out that they no longer had to pay Apple, Google, and MS to hate them.
Personally, I’m very much annoyed to have to read all these references to politics.
If I’d liked it I would open the TV and watched political quarrels, or applied for some political appointment, and so on.
As user, what right/left/center/whatever has to do with me who need a OS that just worksforme doing what I need for everyday tasks?
I’m a pragmatic person, I use what fits to me as long as it does. If/when it won’t anymore I’ll switch to something else.
I get it man. It is indeed annoying but reality comes for us all eventually.
I hope you are able to bury your head in the sand forever and it never catches up to you. I wish I could do that as well.
Please don’t assume what people who you don’t know does.
If you stop using software because of the political opinions of some of the contributors then you might as well not use computers at all.
That was not my intention, I was just going by what you said. I promise no assumptions were made beyond your own words.
You are probably right simply because right wing people seem to have no interest in software. I have not been able to get any of them interested because they see it as a lost cause at this point and would rather fight more meaningful battles. I disagree and I think the software is worth saving.
Just keep in mind that leftism is a civilization destroying ideology. All of these projects WILL 100% sink in quality eventually. In the end, if it is allowed to fester it will take out electricity, indoor plumbing and cars as well. At that point it won’t matter I guess.
Not a question of “if” but only “when”.
I have been thinking about some stuff that @vannax said to me the other day and I am starting to think he has some points about software ideology. Although my conclusions about that are likely different than his, I have been listening and thinking about it.
The creator of Linux is a self-proclaimed communist. The entire reason that Linux is open source and cost-free is because of Linus’ political opinions. I’m not going to stop using Linux just because I disagree with his opinions, and the same applies to any other software.
Because generally, in spaces that value software freedom, we actually value freedom to some extent. People that are authoritarian (have a wish to control what people do) and not stupid do not contribute to projects that allow people to use software (at least more) freely. Fairness is the progenitor of freedom, which necessitates a certain level of impartiality. I.e., just because we don’t like someone doesn’t mean we get to be unfair to them. That’s not what “freedom” is.
I’d also say that #notall “leftist” people are authoritarian, a lot of people who began the concepts related to software freedom in the first place were what some people call “leftist”. Some people understand and value freedom, other’s don’t. Sometimes, it’s a surprise to find who actually does when things get real.