I’m considering starting a “Mr. Scissors fan club”
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His other channels are pretty good too, but he doesn’t upload to them very often.
I need proprietary firmware of broadcom in my laptop. My PC don’t need this firmware. Is OM come with binary blobs?
You are free to search the non-free repos for them or pkgs[dot]org, but without a model number you aren’t going to be able to get an answer to that question with any distro.
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Why would you do critical tasks on something untested by you? If you know something works that you can rely on to do critical tasks, then do them on that system.
Web browser…
Do you think that might be based on proprietary software setting expectations instead of the user setting them? It’s not exactly a fair comparison or ask for a group of people volunteering their time to collect software into a distribution for people to use at no cost and complaining about how it doesn’t meet their needs. It’s actually a bitch move to do things like that.
Again, most Linux distributions not funded by taxpayers without asking them, not by corporations that want to dictate the distro’s foundation and project direction, or not lying so people can be lulled into a false sense of security and be spied on, are made up of volunteers. Giving an ultimatum like that is very shortsighted and a tad ungrateful given projects like ours still offer better value and engagement than the aforementioned distro types.
I guess the big question for you since we are asking questions:
Since you feel OM is not meeting your needs when it comes to certain things, how are you prepared to help us, potentially other users with the same issues, or yourself? What work are you willing to put into it besides telling us how you aren’t exactly bought into the premise of OMLx? If your answer is along the lines of, “nothing,” or, “I don’t know,” then I don’t see how you have the right to ask anything of us.
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You read my post but did not comprehend the meaning of the words there guy. No ultimatum was given. Maybe English is not your first language, if so no offense intended.
I do not appreciate you putting words in my mouth and I will ask you to not do that again.
I am currently testing OM, along with another distro. It remains to be seen if it will meet my needs or not (As I clearly stated in my post.)
I am making a general statement as to where I am now. I have other posts going to work out the issues I’m having.
Try to pay attention and keep up with what is actually being said.
Time is the most valuable resource that exists, I am confused why a certain segment of Linux people don’t understand that. It is strange. This is a general Linux problem, not an OM problem (hence saying “Linux” instead of “OM”)
I was told OM is not a hobby distro so I am taking them at their word.
Software is not a religion my dude, try to remember that.
I liked this forum. Here we can call the member ‘dude’. I went to call a member ‘dude’ on the Mageia forum and the guy came and said ‘I am not your dude’.
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I like this forum as well.
Guy just misunderstood what I was saying. Once people get to know me, they will get used to the way I speak.
I choose my words very carefully and I expect others to read them carefully. Whether that is fair or not, I leave to others to decide.
What if English is my first language?
Did no such thing, my dude.
Didn’t answer any of my questions or address what I said, at all. I am glad you are testing other things. Are you scrutinizing what they are not doing for you in their communication channels, as well? How is that going for you?
Don’t tell me how to conduct myself after implying I put words in your mouth. I criticized what you were saying. Nothing more. If you are someone else’s parent, congratulations. You are not mine.
So, now you do what you accuse others of doing…
OMLx doesn’t fit any particular mold or use case. It just doesn’t do what other push button, cookie cutter distros do.
That’s called a straw man. It’s a better known logical fallacy.
I might have cared to know you if you didn’t take mild criticism (for the lack of anything else, just text on the screen with no ill will or malicious intent) in such a passive aggressive and authoritarian manner.
You seem to have a lot of expectations of others and don’t mind lobbing those around. When someone expects you to evaluate how those expectations may not be reasonable without massaging your ego in the process and you get defensive, there isn’t really a productive discussion to be had.
It just seems very disingenuous of you to say you can’t use OMLx to drive a web browser and do your critical tasks. It has nothing to do with my criticisms of you or those tasks or what computer, system, tablet, or phone you choose to do them on.
If you want OMLx to behave like Windows, it’s not going to because no Linux distro behaves like Windows. Everyone here works hard on OMLx in their free time so people that want to use it, can use it. Given that and your expectations (regardless of what I think of them) I don’t think OMLx will be a good fit for your tasks. I don’t treat what I do as a religion and I resent you minimizing how I spend my free time into something you despise. It is the only logical way that you put something that asinine into a topic designed to criticize someone that doesn’t even use our distro and has lived much longer than it probably should have.
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That’s a lot of words there guy. I am sorry I don’t have time to dive into all that.
There is nothing to be offended about here.
Let’s both just simmer down, I’m old too.
You have so completely misread my post that I’m not sure I can fix it for you. You have made so many assumptions instead of just taking the words exactly at face value. There is no hidden meanings here.
I am not trying to insult or criticize anyone. I am testing out a software package for my business in my free time and sharing my current thoughts on a very long and very expensive process. Linux is more expensive than Windows so it has to have a payout in the end or I have wasted a very serious investment of time.
I don’t think I can make you understand what I am trying to say without a huge wall of text.
We obviously live very different lives and there is a large communications barrier here. I don’t do drama and I don’t want a fight, so please just accept that you have not taken my meaning in this post and let’s just move on. Probably the communication error was my fault in expecting you to follow my exact thought patterns on the topic. I will try to distill my thoughts down better next time instead of posting unfiltered thoughts off the cuff.
I do not despise religion, quite the contrary. I get appalled when people take software to the emotional level they should be taking study of The Word to. If you were not doing that, then please excuse my comment.
That’s just it, I am not offended. If anything, I just wanted to challenge you and your assumptions about what any linux distribution is capable of. There are too many people with the exact wrong idea about it from the very start.
Linux distros are freedom, complete and total. If anything, I am passionate about that and it disappoints me greatly when people just use it because it’s there and doesn’t cost anything.
It’s only “expensive” if you feel like you are wasting your time by learning and using it. That’s something you will have to decide. We can only help you get acclimated to it and you can see where you land after.
Don’t take this the wrong way, but every time I hear someone put things in this way the desire of the person saying it is to belittle the other person. You kind of, sort of take responsibility for your part in it wrapped up in how I did things that you misunderstood as well but there is a lot more of that than you explaining your misunderstanding. It’s fine, though. We don’t have to get along or be friends. It’s just a missed opportunity. There will be many others.
I’m going to briefly go back to what I said earlier. Linux, and Free and Open Source software is freedom. Perhaps that value does not exist for you, so let me put it another way. When you buy something digital in this day and age, do you truly own it?
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I’m not even sure what the drama is about at this point so I’m just going to apologize for offending you and move on.
Also you might have me confused with someone else, because I never said anything about wanting OM to act like Windows. there might be some confusion there. I could just use Windows if I wanted Windows.
Okay, well this clearly will not be resolved. Do as you will, then. Best to you and your family.
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Have a blessed day. We’ll have a better conversation one day.
I take responsibility of the misunderstanding and sincerely apologize.
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You, as well. Likewise, my apologies.
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that was the calmest diffusion of a disagreement in internet history. I applaud you, gentlemen.
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Agreed. And I will say it’s prudent to spend time testing before jumping. If you jump first, you run the risk of getting super-frustrated when things don’t work as expected. Always test, test, test, and keep an open mind, because the new system may solve the same problem in a way you’re not accustomed to.
I highly recommend using VMs. I think I tested OM for a month, month and a half before I jumped. And I’m still yet to jump on my personal machine (though I desperately want to) because of some niche 3D printing stuff. The niche stuff is always the worst.
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I’ll start working on a build for that, no guarantee I’ll get it done though.
Thanks! I’ve been slowly getting up to speed on packaging (I’ve actually packaged an upgrade to Syncthing and a new Vifm package), but that one seems rather complicated to me. I figured nobody else needed to compile and flash Arduino-based firmware for 3D printers, so I’d eventually need to do it myself. 
i’ll try, but I won’t be able to test it.
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