Blame Lunduke!

Well that escalated quickly…

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Yea, unless Arch condemns this in no uncertain terms and demands this “unofficial” discord stops using their name immediately I’m done with Arch forever. Calling for someone to be murdered is way beyond virtue signalling,

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I no longer use Arch, BTW.

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This. Arch’s complacency is akin to someone stealing your identity to commit a crime, but instead of taking the necessary steps to clear your name, you distance yourself. It makes no sense. Unless those who represent Arch really don’t care and are just woke rotten to the core. Well I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt and wait-and-see.

Lol, c’mon, a bunch of clowns in an unofficial discord is not the whole Arch community.

What matters is the official Arch position which is agnostic, technical, pragmatic and merit-based.
And if someone wants to ask that he can ask the Project Leader.

Lunduke has gone too far imo with this and don’t forget that trolling is part of his shows :slight_smile: .

It may be listed as “unofficial,” but you are still talking about 20,000 people.

Of course he trolls a little. He’s earning a living. :slightly_smiling_face:

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20.000 people that are there looking for answers to their problems in a real-time “medium”, have you thought about that?

Yes.

OK, so I think you understood the difference :slight_smile:

I fully understand the difference. What I am saying is that 20,000 people is significant and cannot be overlooked. It’s a big deal.

Have you thought that in those numbers people from Arch-based distros like EndeavourOS, Manjaro, Garuda can be included? Usually as their communities are small they go to the source, for example in all their forums they are pointed to the Arch wiki.

Again, there is no dragon there. Arch is the 2nd most popular distro after Debian-based ones, meaning it can have million of users. And it is certainly not waving the LGBTQ+ flag in statements and in banners like other distros like OpenSUSE, ElementaryOS, Debian do.

I’m not saying all 20,000 are guilty of something. That would be a gross oversimplification of it.

There’s 20,000 people on there and I don’t see anyone condemning this death threat. The moderators are apparently okay with it too, that post was 5 hours old when Lunduke took the screenshot.

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20.000 people are “registered” there, how many do actively participate. Most join “communities” then forget about it. I have an account in Fedora and Manjaro because I had to ask something, never been there otherwise. I don’t even know if I have the password in those to delete my account. There are 880 users here, not many participate and the recent “activity” is due to the influx of new users who are asking technical things about this distro. Again, me (the clown) and you could create another discord channel and call it “The best unofficial group for Arch Linux with technical support, LGBTQ+ is not welcomed”.

Arch Linux on reddit has 287.000 members, if someone would do any poll not more than 200 would participate. Does it tell something about the rest 286.800? About the distro too? Again, one should stick to official position, which in Arch Linux has been agnostic, pragmatic, technical, do-it-yourself, non-political since its inception 22 years ago. They had all the time to be “political” since then, yet you will only find technical differences between it and other distros. And the community who evangelizes “RTFM” is not considered “welcoming and “embracing”” to begin with :sweat_smile:

For you, it is insignificant. That’s cool.

So for you it is significant, but you didn’t explain why. Maybe because you would hit the wall of objectivity, starting by “unofficial support group” and ignoring all the objective and established facts about what Arch is and what I have explained for better understanding. Having said that, I’m out, don’t need to repeat myself any further. There’s clearly some bias and empathy fueled by Lunduke’s click-baiting semi-trolling here.

Why do I need to explain to you why I would feel it is significant?

Because if you have a position you have to back it up, instead of contradicting yourself?

  • 20k is important.
  • I’m not saying all 20,000 are guilty of something. That would be a gross oversimplification

Death threats are not significant?

As far as I am concerned, I don’t care if their Discord has 20,000 or 20 members, death threats should not be ignored.

If you do not like Lunduke, that is fine. You have that prerogative. He is my friend.

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In regards to Arch themselves. Not distancing yourself from someone that’s using your name and allowing death threats is significant. They are still listing the server in their wiki as a resource.

In regards to the server mods. Allowing death threats to stay up, for at the very least, hours is significant. It says that you are not opposed to them. The lack of user outcry is significant, it says the community over all is okay with it. And now they are blocking new invites, so I have to assume they are circling the wagons and trying to prevent dissenting voices from intruding.

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Except you and others missed this

Who said that it should not be ignored. That clown should be reported to Discord, or even arrested, but that is a far cry accusing official Arch being woke, a thing your friend did, claiming ("a google search shows that discord group as a result :joy: ) which also proves that you are basically the one being subjective here.