Ranting About Desktop Environments

One should have no trouble finding hyprland dot files on github, or any other WM for that matter. Most people who have a working setup save their dot files and share them there.

Here are some examples from Hyprlandā€™s Wiki

Up until two weeks ago I just copied other peopleā€™s dotfiles. I am working on writing my own so that it is not just a copy and paste of JaKooLitā€™s or ML4Wā€™s. I think OM should also have a unique feeling hyprland setup for the iso rather than just taking a premade config.

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Part of the problem with Gnome is it follows some of the stupid conventions of Microsoft. Such as un-themable titlebars, and there being NO differentiation between a foreground window and background window. No window borders, so if overlapping windows have the same color background, you canā€™t see where the edges of the windows are, and they all blend into a blob mess. Gnome arenā€™t the ones to originate user-hostility.
I really think the Gnome designers have never used a computer for actual WORK.

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Sometimes, when I get aggravated by Gnomeā€™s intentional and malicious breakage of GTK+, Iā€™ll switch my desktop over to NsCDE. Itā€™s actually quite pleasant if you have an underlying X11 that can handle dithering & high-color displays (unlike AIX, where I was used to CDE).

Gnomeā€™s idea of UI development is ā€œWe love and copy Microsoft when it comes down to their BAD ideas, but we canā€™t copy their ideas that are actually ok, that would make us too much like Windows!ā€
Windows 8-ish menu that worked out so badly even Microsoft ended up reverting it? Sure.
Menus as they have always been (not invented, but popularized by M$)? Never!
No difference between active and inactive windows? Sure!
A child window that can be moved independently of its parent? Never!

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This NsCDE reminds me AmigaOS with MUI, nice one :slight_smile:

one mans bloat is another mans critical tool.
if you want zero bloat, youā€™ve necesserily got to have just a window manager. but this lacks practically any functionality other than managing windows.

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That is too much bloat, anything more than a TTY terminal interface is just extra nonsense that should be removed.

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I like your style!

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Was anyone else here a fan of the Cutefish DE? I kind of wish it wouldā€™ve continued. It was like a good mix of KDE and Gnome, had the global menu (former mac guy here, sorry), good UI, was a nice one. Wish it had a different name though. Lol

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i used the jakoolit hyprland dots when i was using hypr on arch. might be able to pick though it and take out what you want.

I might when i get time install hyprland on om and try and pick though some stuff to see how it works on om but busy as hell with other stuff.

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I find these rants, er, discussions interesting, because they focus what I do or donā€™t like about a given desktop.

Most of our desktops now ā€œjust workā€ and itā€™s now pretty rare to find hardware that canā€™t run whatever OS and DE you throw at it. A bit more or less resource use is no longer critical. My main PCs are 11 years old yet are midrange Xeons with 64GB RAM, enough horsepower to run pretty much any OS or program a dozen times over.

Also, some experimentation with various distros and DEs made it evident to me that performance is not dependent on the DE, but rather on the underlying distro. Plasma on PCLinuxOS or OpenMandriva runs like the wind on any piece of junk. Mageia with the same Plasma desktop bogs down my Xeon. Fedora/Plasma doesnā€™t bog down, but youā€™d never call it snappy.

So the problem becomes: What do you use it for? How do you work?

Aside from what Bero says (totally agree), for me, the big issue with Win8.1 and Gnome is that both try to emulate a cellphone interface. Which might be fine on a phone (I have Manjaro with KDE Mobile on a PinePhone, and it works well enough), but is extremely frustrating on a desktop, at least if youā€™re of the ā€œlots going on at onceā€ sort of workflow. (I have two browsers, a mail client, two document editors, and about 15 documents up, plus a few things I run in the background, and thatā€™s my normal day.) Also, I already hate swiping around on a phone or tablet; Iā€™m sure not going to do it on a regular PC.

But Iā€™ve noticed people who like Macs and iPads also often prefer Gnome. Similar workflow, perhaps. (Iā€™m not a Mac person.)

I like the WinXP desktop (Windows UI has since slid into the dumpster). XP64 is still my daily driver. Plasma comes pretty close (Trinity is closer, but insufficiently stable). Gnome is so far away from how I work that if that were the only choice, Iā€™d flee to Win11. (Which I do use, after beating it into submission with OpenShell and Winaero Tweaker, but for everyday it would drive me mad.)

Now, if Iā€™m using Puppy, I think itā€™s supposed to have JWM, and it looks odd to me with anything else. Why? I donā€™t know, it just suits how Puppy works.

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