Looking to migrate to OM

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Rock is great. Especially when starting out. Double especially while we are going through a cooker/rome update and sync. Triple especially because this was/is a MAJOR upgrade.

So right now install Rock and play. And if you need a “later & greater” version of something, appimages, flatpacks, and install from source are all options.

For example you mentioned Golang. The repo version is 1.23; The current github is 1.25.2

That may or may not matter. But it’s easy enough to install golang manually. Python is currently breaking things in the Rome/Cooker Updates (related to upstream) so that will be fixed somewhat soon. Zig is in the repo.

Python in Rock is 3.11

So unless you need something specific I’d stay on Rock for a while.

You might say Rock Rocks! :grin:

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Quanto BR… Jesus… xD

I plan to keep Mint on my laptop anyway. I really, really like Mint, I mean, Mint has a special place for lots of people, it was my first true linux distro and still my comfort zone. And related to the big known distro, Mint stays somewhat neutral. Yeah it had its share of drama, but compared to others? Mint still relaxing. And I hope it become more independent as the time pass.

Anyway! I’m looking to use ROME to trully extract more from my hardware, since I have 32GB of RAM, I just need some little upgrades here and there to make my little machine keep going strong and fast. And for what I tasted on those last days on my laptop, well… Has being working really smooth.

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After the last stuff KDE has been… doing and saying… I don’t look at the DE with the same eyes as before. Sad how things works on this day and age. I remember my dad showing me Kurumin 7 years and years ago. When devs where just a bunch of anti-social nerds, haha. xD

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Honestly, people suck sometimes. I have to say perhaps that also includes myself, but it is part of this life: people who do awful things we hate may sometimes make stuff we use, down to the food we eat. It is the reality of this world, sadly. I have no incentive to learn coding myself, and it isn’t like me doing that is gonna land me with some usable, suckless alternative, in viable time, so yeah. If we are gonna look at these things, life is gonna suck in our eyes in general.

I like how Plasma looks and how it works on my system. Arch is flawless in that reproduction. I could reject it totally and move to something else, but how long until that becomes the devil too and I have to change to something else? As it has been discussed in this forum before, even mesa drivers, something we need, have disgusting people in development of it. Soon we might as well go back to smoke signs and writing in rock if we are to legitimately avoid all the woke garbage people.

So yeah. I use Plasma and like it, and Cinnamon for GTK. We would have something close to an alternative (and a middle finger to the disgusting freaks) with COSMIC if that was not made with a language that has ALL the garbage developing it. Seriously, it changes so much the compilers themselves fail to work sometimes. The compilers for their own language! And they push that thing like it is some dogma holy grail bs. Gosh dangit man.

It is however very fortunate that using any desktop environment or window manager that works does not taint yourself personally, and that open source code can be audited. This means that we only have to make sure we don’t give money to those people ever, and share no data with them, anonymous or not. Basically become a freeloader, and give not a damn. The only concern should be when something comes up trying to effectively kill or sunset every other project in favor of itself, when that thing itself is harmful to the users in general, say, forcing something not ready just for the sake of doing it and not caring whether it breaks setups or not.

I have resorted to that, since I have no time, nor expertise, nor resources to make something completely new myself and perfectly shutdown all this bs.

I am sorry for rambling.

Edit:

I am trying to install Cooker Xfce to test and enjoy Xlibre and perhaps bspwm, if I can get maim and xclip, so I can take screenshots under bspwm. The download has been on the range of 256 kbps which is mega oof. I gave up for the time being as I am seriously pressed for time. I am not close to my computer as I had to go for a trip, but I intend to try again as soon as possible. Perhaps we could all do that to help OMV, so this gets to ROME asap.

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XLibre is in Rome. That’s one of the things that has been causing issues - when you update Rome and you’re in a GUI (even with a terminal like Konsole or Kitty you’re still in a gui) things break.

Because we’re switching over to XLibre. THAT has to be done directly from a TTY. In order to make the switch the update has to shut down the GUI session - and if that’s what you’re running - well, then things break. But if you do it from a TTY it should work fine.

On new Rome installs there was an issue just recently (@ben79 reported on it) as to which ISOs are having some issues. That may even be fixed by now. So check the forum

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Unless you’re running Wayland. I have both installed and (thank the Lord) happened to be running Wayland when I did the update to Xlibre, and the update went through smoothly.

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I knew and am glad Xlibre is in ROME, I was just referring to maybe just maybe Xfce gaining a ROME spin edition thingy.

I also prefer updating from tty just to make sure.

My download of the ISO is slow. I am doing it now from my phone on a wifi on a different city than mine and it has been a while already. It says it will take ten more minutes. Once I get home I will transfer it to a Ventoy and test it out.

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:smiling_face_with_sunglasses:

You know, that tells me I should probably install wayland then. Just to make sure I always have fallback display server.

If one fails switch to the other.

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gotcha

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My first tests of the Nov. 8-9 ROME upgrade (that is the one with the problems) were done on Wayland systems in VBox and hardware and I missed the problem a lot of X11 users saw. I then had to retest and revise my report on that upgrade.

Kind of a big problem right now is there is just to many different configurations to test even sticking to Plasma6 isos and systems. I gave up on trying to test other DE’s.

This is the post about ROME isos currently.

Using the latest ROME isos at ABF. (12/09/25)

This the most recent post about the Nov. 8-9 ROME upgrade:

Upgrading ROME(rolling) after Nov. 9, 2025 upgrade

IMO it is way better to follow that thread about the latest ROME isos at ABF than to use any ROME isos on SourceForge. When we get the issues with the isos fixed we will endeavor to post new isos at SourceForge. Reality bites sometimes.

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The only moment I borked my OM installation for the first time, I think it was because I downloaded a more older version of the Slim install and when I updated got some issues and when I restarted the boot didn’t work.

Then I just downloaded a newer ISO and went smoothly.

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I bricked mine once by trying to update from an older cooker to a newer one which apparently had Xlibre while in GUI if I recall correctly. Cannot complain, cooker is bound to break.

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My craziest wild ride, that I want to try again, was playing with Artix Linux.
Was a disgrace, because of myself, but was a great experience. After Artix, any kind of OS breaking don’t scare me anymore.

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I just update my cooker xfce iso and guess what, no at-spi-core package available yet so the desktop cannot be installed. It has default to a failsafe x session. To be expected, cooker is guaranteed to break.

Artix was a disgrace for me. I feel like I am driving a car with too much potential and little armor, which will break with any touch.

The Plasma is horrible: kwalletd doesn’t save settings, pipewire shutsdown in the h hour and doesn’t come back, WAY less pacakges comparing to arch, though I still can use IME stuff for Japanese typing, but not Korean. I need that. Aur is not helpful. Also auto completion for yay is kinda broken. Haven’t found a fix.

Devuan Linux has a similar issue for Pipewire on Devuan 6, but I am able to fix that if I manually start the relevant programs at /usr/bin/. On Artix, upon logging out, the configs are not saved. It’s not good.

Switching to pulseaudio isn’t feasible, and when it is, it will not memorize the card I wanna use, and it will not respect my setting for audio level either. Bug or feature I don’t care, convenience could be a feature too.

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Am I conceptualizing here??? Do I know what conceptualizing is???

For lightweight OMLx desktop LXQt is a possibility, it has the advantage that the project leader approves because it is Qt and not, GASP, GTK. This is just me speaking but right now LXQt is kind of in between Officially supported and being another spin. I would like to see this one get a helper maintainer that can take on some of the easier to learn tasks and help @bero and others with this. Would like to see back to fully Officially Supported.

XFCE has long been popular, but in OM probably needs work and maybe a helper maintainer helping with easier to learn tasks for the XFCE maintainer, I think the maintainer is The Polish Gentleman @AngryPenguin.

I am wondering if Trinity Desktop Environment or TDE might become a solid offering based on KDE 3.5. I am to busy to get in to trying it at this time. but again one more person helping @zeroability on this doing some of the easier to learn tasks might be very helpful. This might have the possibility of being lighter but more featured desktop for harware needing X and just older hw in general.

All three probably need testers. One or two dedicated testers can help polish these desktops and make them considerably better for the users.

I am in a position where I have to devote less time to OMLx than I was able 2 or more years ago.

Being a helper maintainer and a tester would seem to be something one person can do. The things you would learn doing tasks would make one a better tester. And possibly visa versa.

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Thank you so much for your input and for your time.

Frankly, I have never been into LXQt, but I would be willing to download and install it on my computer and see what happens. Same for TDE, though I didn’t like the DE. Personal preference and all that. I have spare SSDs I can use.

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It’s in ROME now. I would still consider it testing, though.

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Random asking… How is the “Maui Shell”?

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Maui shell? Is that something present on that distro which begins with a K? KaOS I think.. or is it something from GNOME?

Either way, I don’t think that is on OMV.

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Maui-shell is in the OM repos. I’m not sure how well supported it is, and the upstream saw its last commit about 8 months ago. Never used it before and I don’t know much about it.

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